Do we know our piano educator lineage?

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Postby drewnchick » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:56 pm

loveapiano wrote:My Mother-in-law had shown me some books her husband had written with a friend on rote teaching.( He was Professor of Music at Columbia University but died young, before met my huband, his son) I fell in love with that way of teaching and I have shared my joy of music with others for over 40 years and feel I have done good and no harm!

Joan,

Are those books still in print or available? I would be interested in reading them!

I learned many songs by rote when I was a child, and I think it really helped develop my ear. I was told I have perfect pitch in a Guild audition once, and certainly had no problems with ear training classes in college. I think rote is a great idea, and would like to know more about it!

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Postby Glissando88keys » Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:34 am

Beckywy wrote:I was wondering - the way we have our family trees, do we know the tree of our music educators? Who our teachers learned from - who learned from - who learned from?

To reply to the original topic question, Yes, I know that my piano teacher, Paulette Hios was taught by M. Martini. Mr. Martini's teacher is unknown to me, but I have learned Mr. Martini's teacher was taught by Franz Liszt, himself!

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Postby 108-1121887355 » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:54 pm

Welcome, Glissando,

I studied with many teachers as we moved around a lot. I do not know their teachers. Different teachers had some benefits, though, that I did not see as a child, but I had many approaches to the piano. I still loveit, so something worked!
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Postby 108-1121887355 » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:59 pm

Heather,
Unfortunately the books are not in print. You might be able to find some, second hand. I have some, if you want me to send them to you.

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Postby Glissando88keys » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:48 pm

Dear loveapiano,
Thank you for your warm welcome! I can see where a variety of influences can be a big plus, because I went to a conservatory, and had the influences of several staff teachers in music appreciation, theory, ear training, sight singing and performance. I took my piano lessons from the same teacher through the years, except for my 1st year, when I had a "lady down the block", who taught me. I was progressing so rapidly that my parents sent me to the conservatory, to get a well-rounded and more professional training.
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Postby 108-1121887355 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:31 pm

Glissando,

How old were you when you began lessons and when you went to the conservatory?

What are you doing with your music now?

This site will give you lots of good information, as well as music friends, a place to offer and exchange ideas, and respect and humor. When I first joined, I spent most of the time reading and copying many of the good articles.

Enjoy!

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Postby Glissando88keys » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:09 pm

Dear loveapiano,
I began lessons when I was 9 years old, but I had been playing on my own for about 1 year before I took lessons. My grandfather, a violinist noticed my curiosity and perseverence. I just sat down, back then, and composed my own music, with great difficulty, as I remember it. But then challenges are quite a motivator for me.
I continued lessons at the Conservatory until I was 18 years old, then registered as a music minor in college. I stayed in college for 2 years, but the demands of work and raising a family were stressful, and my music sort of got put on the back burner for many years. Although I had intermittently played piano at volunteer events, for friends and family, etc., music remained dormant for quite a while, until a few years ago.
I began to play, again, first for friends, then at talent shows, then at Church and Senior Centers, as soloist or accompanist.
Recently I saw an advertisement for Music teachers and applied. I will begin teaching next week. I feel alive again.

When words leave off, music begins. ~Heinrich Heine
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Postby 108-1121887355 » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:24 pm

Fantastic!

Thanks for the information - it is interesteing to know how 'we' all started out and continued. I hope everyone reads your post, especially those people considering studying/teaching music.

Let us know how it goes and how many students, etc.

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Postby Stretto » Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:08 pm

Glissando88keys wrote:Dear loveapiano,
I began lessons when I was 9 years old, but I had been playing on my own for about 1 year before I took lessons. My grandfather, a violinist noticed my curiosity and perseverence. I just sat down, back then, and composed my own music, with great difficulty, as I remember it. But then challenges are quite a motivator for me.
I continued lessons at the Conservatory until I was 18 years old, then registered as a music minor in college. I stayed in college for 2 years, but the demands of work and raising a family were stressful, and my music sort of got put on the back burner for many years. Although I had intermittently played piano at volunteer events, for friends and family, etc., music remained dormant for quite a while, until a few years ago.
I began to play, again, first for friends, then at talent shows, then at Church and Senior Centers, as soloist or accompanist.
Recently I saw an advertisement for Music teachers and applied. I will begin teaching next week. I feel alive again.

When words leave off, music begins. ~Heinrich Heine

I enjoyed reading your story. I like hearing other's stories and experiences related to thier musical backround!



Just thought while I'm at it I might as well add to the thread. As far as knowing our piano educator lineage, since this thread was started I began taking lessons after years of trying to keep up with playing and practicing on my own. It's been great! By the way there's a lot of things I forgot about what it's like being a student so it's been really good too putting myself literally in my students shoes from a teacher/student perspective. Hey, I loose motivation, have not practiced more when I have 2 weeks before lessons due to the teacher cancelling but rather goofed around thinking I had longer, lol! Also, I have gotten tired of being on the "same old song" too long. Plus a bunch of other little things at lessons that comes with being the student. It's really given me new insight on what it feels like for my students again because I had forgotten so much of what it's like.

Well, this is the first time I can actually say who my teacher's teacher was. It was partly thanks to this thread actually, (thanks Beckywy) that I made a point to find out and ask my teacher. She took lessons from a piano teacher named Elizabeth Stern. I was wondering if anyone has heard of her.




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Postby Glissando88keys » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:32 pm

Stretto wrote: By the way there's a lot of things I forgot about what it's like being a student so it's been really good too putting myself literally in my students shoes from a teacher/student perspective. Hey, I loose motivation, have not practiced more when I have 2 weeks before lessons due to the teacher cancelling but rather goofed around thinking I had longer, lol! Also, I have gotten tired of being on the "same old song" too long. Plus a bunch of other little things at lessons that comes with being the student. It's really given me new insight on what it feels like for my students again because I had forgotten so much of what it's like.

Well, this is the first time I can actually say who my teacher's teacher was. It was partly thanks to this thread actually, (thanks Beckywy) that I made a point to find out and ask my teacher. She took lessons from a piano teacher named Elizabeth Stern. I was wondering if anyone has heard of her.

Dear Stretto,
Your insight brings compassion and empathy into the picture, which will only increase your effectiveness as a teacher.
Your post also reminded me of all those "other little things" I, too, had almost forgotten about. A flood of memories regarding how uncomfortable I sometimes felt as a student instantly washed over me. Like when I tried to "fake it" at lessons after not practicing the previous week, or how frustrating it felt when trying to play a difficult passage and I just could not "get it right." Those moments motivated me to renew my determination to practice in earnest and regain my self- respect, in time for the next lesson.
My piano teacher, was, at the time, on her way to becoming a well-known concert pianist. Attending her concerts, listening to her Town Hall recitals on the radio, and our warm personal relationship of 9 years continues to be an inspiring and influential life-changing event for me. I never felt that my difficulties or lack of preparation were an issue and they never became an obstacle. She never implied in any way that she was disappointed with my progress. I think the reason for this was because she was also a piano student at the time who continued to study for many years, even while she was giving her own concerts. Again, that intuition, empathy and compassion, from having the ability to put your self into another's shoes enhanced her effectiveness as a teacher.

Every difficulty slurred over will be a ghost to disturb your repose later on. ~Frederic Chopin

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Postby Tranquillo » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:55 pm

Has anyone ever had this? ...

I am entering a competition and the adjudicator is my singing teacher's teacher ... small world eh?

I have had a number a teachers that have taught me. My music teacher has been taught by this composer by the name of : Peter Sculthorpe ... and a few other names that I cant remember fully. Its interesting to see who has been taught by who ...
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Re: Do we know our piano educator lineage?

Postby suisseadele » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:15 am

I know this is a very old thread, but I thought I would add to it. I've only recently come back to PEP as I have been so busy doing further study and also teaching my students. However I thought I would have a look.
This caught my interest. I started piano lessons with a lady who was also a violin teacher. She was a member of an orchestra and sometimes had to cancel my sister's and my lessons due to performances. My parents were unhappy with this so we started lessons with an elderly lady who used to come to our place where we had lessons twice a week at 7am! She was an excellent teacher but sadly, after a few years with her she died. I continued lessons with a marvellous teacher Mr. Leo Shalit. He was born in Riga, Latvia, formerly under the control of Russia. He migrated to Australia just before WW2. I believe he learnt from Theodor Leschetizky who was a pupil of Czerny, who in turn was a pupil of Liszt. Thus my musical family tree! Leo Shalit was of the old European school, technique and relaxation was most important. He was very strict, I remember I was in awe of him. I still teach my students some of the exercises and technique he had me do. I had other teachers at University but they did not leave such a lasting impression.
However, I don't think it is really of importance what musical family tree one is descended from but how well one is taught. Your teacher must be knowledgable and able to play well. He or she must have had proper training in all the fields of teaching in the instrument that he or she specialises. I could mention several other qualities but this is long enough.
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